tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post1335455035314029687..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: Should a convicted felon get in the Vintners Hall of Fame?W. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-64312572018890267702010-10-01T07:57:17.858-07:002010-10-01T07:57:17.858-07:00If the Hall of Fame does not bar a convicted felon...If the Hall of Fame does not bar a convicted felon from being nominated so be it. If he is inducted, I will really like to know the reasoning as this conviction did nothing vinously positive.Paul Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03866926344736226739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-77120611050984930652010-09-22T18:04:14.212-07:002010-09-22T18:04:14.212-07:00I can't believe for a minute that Fred would g...I can't believe for a minute that Fred would give a Rats-A#@ as to weather he makes the HOF or not.<br /><br />As for the honor itself, it seems to me it should be left to those that have a view of wine as a substance that enrich's mans existence. Stewards of the art and craft of viticulture and enology.<br /><br />I gotta think all Fred is concerned with is $$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$. George Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-45145479606798817462010-09-19T08:44:16.241-07:002010-09-19T08:44:16.241-07:00I think "THE HALL OF SHAME" might be a b...I think "THE HALL OF SHAME" might be a better spot for him.tohttp://wblakegray.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-19473469956959567992010-09-17T16:53:25.078-07:002010-09-17T16:53:25.078-07:00A Hall of Fame regardless of whether it deals with...A Hall of Fame regardless of whether it deals with wines, baseball, football, music, etc. should be the acme of the industry. Allowing a convicted felon into a Hall of Fame should be a crime unto itself. The people voting in this institution should hopefully hold lofty ldeals for the people that are bestowed this honor. However, since this is limited to only California, then California can do rsaikowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889113249692122995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-86017722954498865032010-09-17T13:04:41.163-07:002010-09-17T13:04:41.163-07:00There would seem to be better options out their fo...There would seem to be better options out their for enshrinement than someone who produces a beverage that is being passed off as 'wine'. <br /><br />There is an origin of the term "Franken-wine"<br /><br />The 2BC as a "convert" wine is about as accurate as Old English being the "convert" beer. These are nothing more than cheap "converts" to Jeffhttp://wineconduit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-54268595827223725062010-09-17T10:30:06.747-07:002010-09-17T10:30:06.747-07:00Let him in. He has done a lot to get the non-wine...Let him in. He has done a lot to get the non-wine drinkers into wine. If you really think about it, how many of the presidents have done worse? Are the people in congress any better that what Franzia did? The only difference is that they have not been caught.Santohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18275058700362528241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-38148068302592692062010-09-17T10:26:55.879-07:002010-09-17T10:26:55.879-07:00I think that low income wine drinkers could and wo...I think that low income wine drinkers could and would have been better served by many other more honest people in our industry. Imagine how much rose Americans would drink if Gallo had not poisoned the well by selling huge amounts of pink swill to alcoholics and making most Americans think that rose is just awful. Just because Two Buck is successful, it does not mean that some other brands charmionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-81478397025791468962010-09-17T10:00:29.145-07:002010-09-17T10:00:29.145-07:00W. blake thank you for the link for HoF. The Gall...W. blake thank you for the link for HoF. The Gallos are there, and there is no questioning their contribution. But reading about their empire and the crooked deals they got through congress to give them a market advantage, Fred doesn't look so bad. If anything, the Gallos are just as guilty as Fred except Fred got caught. I hope the committee votes him in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-36891525615274041702010-09-17T09:26:05.538-07:002010-09-17T09:26:05.538-07:00I think that many of these comments have slightly ...I think that many of these comments have slightly missed the point, Fred's mislabeling of wasn't to deceive the customer, he really used it to take advantage of another company and make a good business deal. When it comes down to you it you have to respect the guy's business sense (morals ... maybe a little iffy but let's be honest I think quite a few of you need to get off your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-83929021840595730852010-09-17T09:13:39.832-07:002010-09-17T09:13:39.832-07:00First off, what does baseball have to do with wine...First off, what does baseball have to do with wine? <br /><br />Franzia should be nominated for what he has accomplished, not the mistakes he made. Alternately, examine all candidates and list their mistakes. <br /><br />Is the Vinters Hall of Fame about mistakes or accomplishments and advancements.<br /><br />I not like any wine maker or marketer to mislabel any wine, not one bit. It does Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-62444615965680024952010-09-16T22:30:55.701-07:002010-09-16T22:30:55.701-07:00If you can get over the fact that Franzia knowingl...If you can get over the fact that Franzia knowingly and willingly intended to deceive consumers about the product they were purchasing, then he certainly gets in.<br /><br />But like John said above, what has he done for the industry as a whole? Mondavi comes to mind as a guy who sold a shit ton of his own wine, maybe not as cheaply, but his legacy is omnipresent in American wine and beyond.Sam @brokewinohttp://thebrokewino.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-7790458170015422822010-09-16T17:23:47.149-07:002010-09-16T17:23:47.149-07:00You would be allowing him to commit another crime ...You would be allowing him to commit another crime against truth in labeling if he were to be inducted into the vintner hall of fame--perhaps if there were a hall of scoundrels or a hall of shame--either would be a more appropriate place for Mr Franzia--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-82921542970919104542010-09-16T17:18:10.095-07:002010-09-16T17:18:10.095-07:00Franzia has attempted to cheat the consumer at eve...Franzia has attempted to cheat the consumer at every turn and has rightly been convicted of a felony and lost in every opionion all the way to the US Supreme Court in his attempts at misleading wine labeling. How can anyone think he should be honored for this? Has he shown innovation or leadership, or has he set out to make a lot of money for himself while disparaging his peers? There are lotsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-56874186907691711352010-09-16T12:19:57.037-07:002010-09-16T12:19:57.037-07:00Well, yes Mr. Franzia should go into the VHF. If, ...Well, yes Mr. Franzia should go into the VHF. If, and this is a big ball of wax, ALL of his good and not so good wine points are highlighted. If you are going to "gloss over" the not so flatering things, then forget about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-60008426835279019072010-09-16T10:50:06.168-07:002010-09-16T10:50:06.168-07:00He committed fraud, stained the industry's rep...He committed fraud, stained the industry's reputation, and he should be in the hall of fame? No way.<br /><br />Peter MindeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-90372901410240827712010-09-16T09:23:24.367-07:002010-09-16T09:23:24.367-07:00"Christian: I would argue that if 10% of Two ..."Christian: I would argue that if 10% of Two Buck Chuck drinkers are making a wine purchase that they wouldn't otherwise make, that's significant. Do you know if that's the case?"<br /><br />I'd have to dig though some old files to give you a numerical answer. To generalize, a significant portion of the 2BC purchases was incremental new business. This was a good thing atChristian Millerhttp://www.fullglassresearch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-63053607023071207782010-09-15T19:29:33.756-07:002010-09-15T19:29:33.756-07:00Well... I see some folks in the HoF who may not ha...Well... I see some folks in the HoF who may not have been convicted of anything but it's pretty common knowledge (or mythology) that back in the day some folks got knecapped if they didn't retail their wines front and center. <br /><br />My issue with FF is that he has done a lot for FF but for the California wine industry as a whole? "No wine should sell for more than $10" may John M. Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343670865804216103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-74697382229588689402010-09-15T14:50:48.316-07:002010-09-15T14:50:48.316-07:00Anon: The Vintners Hall of Fame recognizes people ...Anon: The Vintners Hall of Fame recognizes people for their contributions to the California wine industry in any area. It is not limited to winemaking and viticulture. Please take a look at the members of the Hall: http://www.ciaprochef.com/winestudies/events/vhf_inductees.htmlW. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-76954654680789329032010-09-15T14:36:56.103-07:002010-09-15T14:36:56.103-07:00Question is, what does the Vitners Hall of Fame su...Question is, what does the Vitners Hall of Fame supposed to promote? Are the inductees people who have revolutionized the area of winemaking and viticulture? Or is it a bunch of fatcats who made a bundle of money making wine and the hall is a self-congratulatory pat on the back? <br />I worked for the guy and I am not really sure if his winemaking method or viticulture philosophy is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-51157756438871854042010-09-15T14:10:39.290-07:002010-09-15T14:10:39.290-07:00King: I favor inducting Pete Rose posthumously for...King: I favor inducting Pete Rose posthumously for two reasons: 1) Rose is currently banned from baseball, so how can he get its highest honor? 2) Rose would exploit an induction, just as he has pugnaciously exploited his exclusion for years now. <br /><br />Is this thinking is analogous to Franzia? Point 1 doesn't apply; I'm not sure point 2 applies either. But anyway, those are just my W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-19054963720643987722010-09-15T13:07:42.142-07:002010-09-15T13:07:42.142-07:00Here is something to consider regarding the popula...Here is something to consider regarding the popularizing effect of 2 Buck Chuck. Several research studies, using different methodologies, concluded that the vast majority of 2 Buck Chuck volume was derived from: (a) current wine drinkers trading down from more expensive wines; or (b) current wine drinkers making additional purchases (e.g. "hey, we can afford this with Monday night leftovers&Christian Millerhttp://www.fullglassresearch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-79380947606795033372010-09-15T12:35:03.340-07:002010-09-15T12:35:03.340-07:00To carry on with the baseball analogy, why not? Bu...To carry on with the baseball analogy, why not? But it depends, I suppose, on whether it's decided that his impact on the wine industry is as big as you describe. To outweigh such large-scale fraud, I'd think that voters would have to decide that his positive impact has been enormous.steve stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-26971404671950547352010-09-15T09:52:16.591-07:002010-09-15T09:52:16.591-07:00Only if Pete Rose gets in the Baseball HoF first.Only if Pete Rose gets in the Baseball HoF first.King Krak, I Drink the Winehttp://www.forkandbottle.comnoreply@blogger.com