tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post6925374411265460268..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: New York Post vs. New York wine listsW. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-73121115555353636482012-08-08T06:27:57.482-07:002012-08-08T06:27:57.482-07:00Thanks for the wine recommendation, McSnobbelier! ...Thanks for the wine recommendation, McSnobbelier! I look forward to trying some Bonarda.Douglas Trapassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348522207945522495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-39509669103150904682012-08-07T17:52:16.155-07:002012-08-07T17:52:16.155-07:00Hey look... Eric noticed your blog!!! Very cool.
...Hey look... Eric noticed your blog!!! Very cool.<br /><br />http://ow.ly/cOnvr <br /><br />Chi Pinot. Don't worry there are many out there that love wine for what it is and in order for a sommelier to pick great fun gems for the real 'wino' it helps to be funded by the whales that are just looking to be impressed or impress. A killer Bonarda or Bonarda Blend like Alma Negra from McSnobbelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820928126030348910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-5880353338491795102012-08-01T07:49:50.906-07:002012-08-01T07:49:50.906-07:00I hope none of you are eating dinner while you’re ...I hope none of you are eating dinner while you’re reading this. But seriously, as someone who is newly discovering wine (and seriously daydreaming about my Future Wine Career while at my precarious day job), this NY Post column and some of these comments are very disheartening to read. Maybe that’s why I need to read them.<br /><br />I just joined a tasting group in my city. These folks are Douglas Trapassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348522207945522495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-20851460817851769402012-07-31T12:27:32.709-07:002012-07-31T12:27:32.709-07:00My old Boss (21 Club Bev Director) used to read NY...My old Boss (21 Club Bev Director) used to read NY Post every day and he is very liberal.<br /><br />What many Sommeliers & Wine Directors forget is that wine lists are a marketing tool and the staff including Sommeliers are sales staff or a combination of both<br /><br />If a list is very esoteric than it is either for the ego of the wine staff & department or to make it hard for McSnobbelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820928126030348910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-24835779247030430022012-07-31T12:21:30.824-07:002012-07-31T12:21:30.824-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.McSnobbelierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13820928126030348910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-90441483787415426932012-07-29T00:51:46.635-07:002012-07-29T00:51:46.635-07:00It makes me happy to know you still come across un...It makes me happy to know you still come across unfamiliar terms here; I'm not the only one :)DAPZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15863208745641017208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-66902477371931172932012-07-28T07:23:49.444-07:002012-07-28T07:23:49.444-07:00Dapz: That's a great point. The difference is ...Dapz: That's a great point. The difference is that the server *should* know the dining terms, but you can't expect the server to know the wine list.<br /><br />When I first moved to San Francisco I was amused that menus here were harder to understand than in Japan, where I moved from. (Granted, I had learned Japanese.) It seems that a San Francisco restaurant isn't cool if it doesn&#W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-40905565373609514162012-07-28T05:15:54.092-07:002012-07-28T05:15:54.092-07:00Sorry, I meant these days.Sorry, I meant these days.DAPZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15863208745641017208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-39936537348156020742012-07-28T05:14:50.055-07:002012-07-28T05:14:50.055-07:00"A good wine list should have an explanation ..."A good wine list should have an explanation of some kind of every unfamiliar wine.'<br /><br />I agree 100 %; but how about food? The menus are getting so sophisticated( which is a good thing) that I find that a lot of diners get intimidated to ask their waiter for the meaning of food terms.<br /><br />An average diner goes to a casual place and sees words like gastrique or remoulade DAPZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15863208745641017208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-40906101332386405632012-07-27T14:10:36.969-07:002012-07-27T14:10:36.969-07:00Joe: Say it ain't so!
But no doubt you'r...Joe: Say it ain't so! <br /><br />But no doubt you're right. I get a wakeup call any time I'm on an airplane and strike up a random conversation, and the person learns I write stories about wine. Many don't realize there are stories about wine. Most, yes most, ask, "What's your favorite wine?" which is never an easy question to answer. Sometimes somebody has been to W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-57370772505648816842012-07-27T14:02:55.754-07:002012-07-27T14:02:55.754-07:00Jack: I eat in San Francisco. Maybe somms just loo...Jack: I eat in San Francisco. Maybe somms just look at you and know you're not a man to be kept waiting?W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-48980544652514697612012-07-27T13:22:25.187-07:002012-07-27T13:22:25.187-07:00"I'd say the somm gets there within 15 mi..."I'd say the somm gets there within 15 minutes of my request about 20% of the time."<br /><br />I'd say my success rate for the above is in excess of 95%. Do you not really convey (with words) that you want to speak with the sommelier, or you only dine at restaurants where 4 out of 5 days the sommelier is away on vacation/junket?Jack Everitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02147956932551396362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-39583893647472576142012-07-27T12:13:47.418-07:002012-07-27T12:13:47.418-07:00Blake, understood, and I agree with everything in ...Blake, understood, and I agree with everything in your article. My only dissent is I think the NY Post readership represents the average, typical diner / wine consumer. In other words, the "certain mindset" you allude to is, more or less, THE mindset of the average person ordering from a wine list.Joe Janishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298570481003202218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-57946066085003209172012-07-27T10:07:19.364-07:002012-07-27T10:07:19.364-07:00Blake, I think the kind of narrow-mindedness that ...Blake, I think the kind of narrow-mindedness that Cuozzo shows there is by no means limited to the over-50 set. I speak as a guy over 50!Patrick Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144823620170293402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-74378845295168750652012-07-27T09:59:27.584-07:002012-07-27T09:59:27.584-07:00Joe: Nothing I love more than real data. Thanks fo...Joe: Nothing I love more than real data. Thanks for it.<br /><br />I guess Mr. Cuozzo should read this. One of the reasons I don't want to mock his position is it so perfectly espouses the New York Post attitude. Keep in mind the meta-story: Either Cuozzo writes this way because he's trying to appeal to the expected reader base OR the Post puts a guy who thinks like Cuozzo in that W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-75419233822473975112012-07-27T09:44:03.580-07:002012-07-27T09:44:03.580-07:00NY Post demographics:
Average Age: 51.5
Male/Femal...NY Post demographics:<br />Average Age: 51.5<br />Male/Female ratio: 54.4%/45.6%<br />College Educated (I+yrs): 59.2%<br />Employed: 59.4%<br />Average HHI: $108,450<br />Average Home Value: $595,666 <br /><br />NY Times demographics:<br />Average Age: 49<br />Male/Female ratio: 52%/48%<br />College+ 65%<br />Employed: n/a<br />Average HHI: $99,645<br />Average Home Value: n/a<br /><br />Just Joe Janishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298570481003202218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-41052754289726071352012-07-27T08:48:25.223-07:002012-07-27T08:48:25.223-07:00BTW, I'm hardly writing something new or diffe...BTW, I'm hardly writing something new or different about the Post's readership. Read this:<br /><br />http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/12/entertainment/ca-shaw12AW. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-91403341486366960352012-07-27T08:43:33.650-07:002012-07-27T08:43:33.650-07:00Yes, David, but it's your day job to read publ...Yes, David, but it's your day job to read publications of all types so you can learn to influence the readership. You have professional interest. It's different.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-52012345960907619232012-07-27T08:41:20.539-07:002012-07-27T08:41:20.539-07:00This is quite a comment:
"Think about who re...This is quite a comment:<br /><br />"Think about who reads the New York Post. Not well-employed or well-educated people. And, significantly, not young people."<br /><br />The NY Post is the 7th largest newspaper in the entire country. Spend on morning on the NYC subway, and you'll see plenty more people reading the Post or Daily News than the Times or the WSJ. <br /><br />I, for oneDavid Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08618558365185095244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-71440023796127649242012-07-27T08:39:31.213-07:002012-07-27T08:39:31.213-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08618558365185095244noreply@blogger.com