tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post923869535742290559..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: Wine Spectator supports GMO grapevines made with human and insect DNAW. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-32190126885852300692013-08-19T18:21:18.864-07:002013-08-19T18:21:18.864-07:00"Vested""Vested"Jo Diazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10499844574747579178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-752250206935880232013-08-19T18:20:50.272-07:002013-08-19T18:20:50.272-07:00Only people with a vest interest would advocate fo...Only people with a vest interest would advocate for this one... Same people advocated on my blog when I wrote about it, Blake. (They see the future in $$)Jo Diazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10499844574747579178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-76458948154823930682013-08-19T06:58:25.228-07:002013-08-19T06:58:25.228-07:00GMO Corn Planting for the Local Grocery Stores
1...GMO Corn Planting for the Local Grocery Stores<br /> <br />1. The ground is fumigated then irrigated.<br />2. Seed Planted<br />3. Sprinklers for 72 hours, then 2 days later 12 hours of sprinklers<br />4. Then fumigated again and sprayed for bugs.<br />5. Watered by Trenches<br />6. Sprayed by Tractor every 10 days until 3 feet tall.<br />7. Then sprayed every 3 days by Crop Duster until picked.<jo6pachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13243469700844995455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-74315251734572148462013-08-17T20:49:40.889-07:002013-08-17T20:49:40.889-07:00First of all, i really enjoy your blog.
I think ...First of all, i really enjoy your blog. <br /><br />I think that people forget that science does its best work when it tries to help nature not when it tries to cheat it.<br /><br />On the article by Mitch Frank the part were i had an issue with it was trying to compare simple agriculture with GMO's. That's plain stupid. Thats like encourging human growth hormone use (without need)becauseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06861590701531914762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-48508046887046346102013-08-17T08:58:50.754-07:002013-08-17T08:58:50.754-07:00John: This issue of trust isn't limited to me;...John: This issue of trust isn't limited to me; I just had a very interesting conversation about it yesterday as it applies to winemakers.<br /><br />I trust the farmers at my local farmers' market when they say "low spray," even though I have no evidence. So why don't I trust winegrowers who say, "We do the minimum?" Well, sometimes I do, when I meet them in personW. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-20894628102901110472013-08-17T08:41:46.775-07:002013-08-17T08:41:46.775-07:00The Gray Report: Bringing People Together Through ...The Gray Report: Bringing People Together Through Their Mutual Opposition To The Author.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-33262742705384634822013-08-17T07:45:46.440-07:002013-08-17T07:45:46.440-07:00Hi Dan,
I would enjoy meeting you. John at Hilliar...Hi Dan,<br />I would enjoy meeting you. John at Hilliard Bruce Vineyards in Lompoc CA.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266420658465274738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-65886122172580330682013-08-17T07:25:35.629-07:002013-08-17T07:25:35.629-07:00Blake, try to see the future. The future of farmin...Blake, try to see the future. The future of farming will be GMO plants. They will require little or no pesticides or fertilizers, which will have enormous benefits to human health and the environment. You should be encouraging the public toward this goal, instead of fear mongering about cockroaches. I know you only "trust" organic farmers, but I think your trust is misplaced by your Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266420658465274738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-43467222505018322382013-08-16T18:55:20.710-07:002013-08-16T18:55:20.710-07:00"Dan, I know you've come here to insult m..."Dan, I know you've come here to insult me, but if you want to prove your intelligence, you'll have to do better than name-calling."<br /><br />How exactly have I insulted you, or called you a name? The analogy is that anti-vaxers believe what they believe despite the scientific evidence. Just as you are doing in the comment right above this one.<br /><br />-DanDan Fishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06693288530873887597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-28055674744830304632013-08-16T18:55:20.060-07:002013-08-16T18:55:20.060-07:00"Dan, I know you've come here to insult m..."Dan, I know you've come here to insult me, but if you want to prove your intelligence, you'll have to do better than name-calling."<br /><br />How exactly have I insulted you, or called you a name? The analogy is that anti-vaxers believe what they believe despite the scientific evidence. Just as you are doing in the comment right above this one.<br /><br />-DanDan Fishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06693288530873887597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-57525710282580410492013-08-16T10:30:32.425-07:002013-08-16T10:30:32.425-07:00John: That's great! I'm glad the GMO soybe...John: That's great! I'm glad the GMO soybeans Monsanto forced on us all aren't killing us. <br /><br />Is it possibly too soon to declare blanket clearance for all GMO crops based on that research? <br /><br />How long did it take other examples in human history of negative effects of tinkering with the ecosystem to present themselves?<br /><br />What's at stake if we're wrongW. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-33769712996450110902013-08-16T08:15:38.633-07:002013-08-16T08:15:38.633-07:00The anti-vaccine argument is exactly opposite to t...The anti-vaccine argument is exactly opposite to this one. People who are arguing against vaccines are asserting their individual right to threaten the rest of the human population.<br /><br />Dan, I know you've come here to insult me, but if you want to prove your intelligence, you'll have to do better than name-calling.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-31736097511569802452013-08-16T07:33:17.617-07:002013-08-16T07:33:17.617-07:00French Directorate Gen. of the European Union in 2... French Directorate Gen. of the European Union in 2001, French Academy of Sciences in 2002, French Academy of Medicine in 2002, Royal Society UK in 2003, British Medical Association in 2004, Union of German Academies of Science and Humanities in 2004, Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) in 2000, Dir. Gen. of World Health Organization in 2002, International Council for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266420658465274738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-21309947205650111822013-08-16T01:34:20.246-07:002013-08-16T01:34:20.246-07:00"Dan: Why not ask consumers whether they woul..."Dan: Why not ask consumers whether they would rather have copper sulfate sprayed in the vineyard, or GMO vines?"<br /><br />Why not ask Jenny McCarthy if you should have your children vaccinated?<br /><br />-DanDan Fishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06693288530873887597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-46651131916816163202013-08-15T16:36:37.999-07:002013-08-15T16:36:37.999-07:00Let's see: if I write a post to "generate...Let's see: if I write a post to "generate reader conversation," it's a slow day. What is it when Wine Spectator does it?W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-26919777155371697402013-08-15T15:39:02.782-07:002013-08-15T15:39:02.782-07:00Boy, must have been a slow day at the old typewrit...Boy, must have been a slow day at the old typewriter for you. I think you missed the point of the WS post. It was simply a "what if" question. I think the whole point of the post was to generate a reader conversation about the what if scenario, not come out and say that they are supporting GMO vines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-72444972552850770902013-08-15T11:48:20.397-07:002013-08-15T11:48:20.397-07:00I'll take a pass on gmo wine thank you. I live...I'll take a pass on gmo wine thank you. I live in the Calif. Central Valley near Tracy and have gmo food growing all around me and I eat out my garden and grass feed beef with no additives thank you.<br /><br />I listen to the farmer complain that the insects and weeds are changing fast than they can change the seed. The dairy people complain that the gmo corn doesn't break down in the jo6pachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13243469700844995455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-66030321968653523752013-08-15T09:14:07.088-07:002013-08-15T09:14:07.088-07:00Dan: Why not ask consumers whether they would rath...Dan: Why not ask consumers whether they would rather have copper sulfate sprayed in the vineyard, or GMO vines?<br /><br />My guess is that people will either care about both or neither, and that people who care about both would prefer the copper sulfate.<br /><br />W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-33669883812547866662013-08-15T09:10:50.445-07:002013-08-15T09:10:50.445-07:00Like nuclear power, GMO technology appears to be a...Like nuclear power, GMO technology appears to be a good idea until you lose control over it. But the inherent problem with either is that once control is lost, there's no way of ever getting it back. If you don't think so, take a look at the Fukushima disaster occurring in Japan. The bottom line is that any technology with the inherent capability of leading to permanent and irreversibleCarrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04004818708247838480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-19127299577496560432013-08-15T08:56:28.943-07:002013-08-15T08:56:28.943-07:00Mr. Gray accusing the wine spectator of being extr...Mr. Gray accusing the wine spectator of being extremist in the context of this silly rant is pretty awesome.<br /><br />If GMO vines could reduce the use of copper, Roundup, and other harmful chemicals in the vineyard, that would be a great thing on its own, whether or not their was a "crisis" that needed response. (and by the way, these things take time, its not like they could just Dan Fishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06693288530873887597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-39365549397243017182013-08-14T17:06:36.128-07:002013-08-14T17:06:36.128-07:00Andrew: I don't hate Wine Spectator. If I didn...Andrew: I don't hate Wine Spectator. If I didn't respect the magazine at all, I wouldn't write about it. There are plenty of publications that are worse.<br /><br />That's what makes it disappointing when Spectator takes an extreme position like this. Wine Spectator does basic journalism -- fact-finding and fact-checking -- as well as anyone in wine. It has a great stable of W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-87190645744241154212013-08-14T13:13:37.837-07:002013-08-14T13:13:37.837-07:00"Re property rights: I get into that from the..."Re property rights: I get into that from the idea of how one responds to planting something on your land that potentially affects everyone around it."<br /><br />Good point. But Pierce's disease is not something individual property owners can control. It requires a collective response. So presumably if genetic modification is deployed to fight it, the deployment would presumably beAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667826288789612517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-50037435029780229282013-08-14T13:07:23.685-07:002013-08-14T13:07:23.685-07:00Blake...you must really hate the Wine Spectator, i...Blake...you must really hate the Wine Spectator, its the only thing that explains your continual and mostly unjustifed / unwarranted attacks on them (including this one). Anyone who read the blog can cearly determine that the title of your blog post (and its tone) in no way reflects what Mitch's post was trying to say (I would compare his post to what Dwight had to say in his reponse to yourAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573267840182461358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-16562822816723352842013-08-14T12:46:37.398-07:002013-08-14T12:46:37.398-07:00Talk about a hyperbolic post that misrepresents th...Talk about a hyperbolic post that misrepresents the actual article. You (almost) got one thing right: "IF a modern-day phylloxera emerged AND nothing else worked -- NOTHING else worked -- than [sic] GMOs could be an option."<br /><br />Frank wasn't saying we should start putting random DNA into grape vines. All he was doing was raising a salient topic that graces the discourse of kschlachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12810309689429676303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-84196096705866230582013-08-14T10:37:38.793-07:002013-08-14T10:37:38.793-07:00Dwight: Thanks for your kind words and measured cr...Dwight: Thanks for your kind words and measured criticism.<br /><br />Perhaps I wasn't clear that I am not against any and all GMO research, even though I recently read "Oryx and Crake."<br /><br />I'm just talking today about GMO grapevines. When you start talking about world famine, or fighting human genetic disorders, or things like that, you bring in other issues that don&#W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.com