tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post1089124453958814111..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: How corporate executives taste wineW. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-19825183939993249282010-10-22T13:26:55.799-07:002010-10-22T13:26:55.799-07:00Blake - I do exist. It's always a weird feelin...Blake - I do exist. It's always a weird feeling when someone says 'I Googled you.' I grew up in Canada and lived abroad for many years. I've been in the States for about a year now.Rick Albenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-20686490430244403072010-10-22T11:18:56.052-07:002010-10-22T11:18:56.052-07:00Hey Rick, just out of curiosity -- do you really e...Hey Rick, just out of curiosity -- do you really exist? I just googled your name and found no evidence of you.<br /><br />White Pages claims there are 39 people named "Richard Albano" in the United States, but no "Richard Albeno" or "Rick Albeno." <br /><br />That's certainly possible in today's world, but I'm just wondering. Where do you live?W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-44504179189408346422010-10-22T11:15:27.411-07:002010-10-22T11:15:27.411-07:00Tim - very interesting comment you made about the ...Tim - very interesting comment you made about the submodalities. I got a lot of what you said in your recent post from the book that came with the DVD. But the part about manipulating the images is really interesting. I hadn't thought of trying that but I will. Does just moving the image forward or backward in my mind make the difference? Or is there more to it? <br /><br />When I learned Rick Albenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-55798581420740027612010-10-21T11:30:58.499-07:002010-10-21T11:30:58.499-07:00Tim: Thanks for posting.
I have to tell you that ...Tim: Thanks for posting.<br /><br />I have to tell you that the nasty part I edited out of the original post, in an attempt to not sound so mean, was about this topic. I'm not going to resurrect what I originally said.<br /><br />But I will say this: It's a lot of hocus pocus that ends up with you noticing lemon, apple and oak in Chardonnay. Is that a fair summation? I don't need to W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-58066648482937840912010-10-21T09:09:53.483-07:002010-10-21T09:09:53.483-07:00Carole, thanks for your question. Here’s a shorte...Carole, thanks for your question. Here’s a shorter version of my original answer due to the length. I’m posting the entire answer on my site (www.timgaiser.com): <br /><br />Submodalities come from “moda,” the Greek term for the five senses. Our modalities are our senses of sight, hearing, feeling (both emotional and kinesthetic), olfactory and gustatory. We use the same modalities internallyTim Gaiserhttp://timgaiser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-46574776205834541042010-10-20T15:44:25.616-07:002010-10-20T15:44:25.616-07:00900 words!
All right, this is my penance for bei...900 words! <br /><br />All right, this is my penance for being vinegary. Go for it.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-42232604632938554212010-10-20T15:29:59.913-07:002010-10-20T15:29:59.913-07:00Blake, it's about 900 words but I think the co...Blake, it's about 900 words but I think the content is pretty amazing stuff.Tim Gaiserhttp://TimGaiser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-21027499794969942862010-10-20T15:26:33.986-07:002010-10-20T15:26:33.986-07:00Go for it, Tim. Thanks for asking. Just try to kee...Go for it, Tim. Thanks for asking. Just try to keep it to a readable length. I'm interested too.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-7725072360653209912010-10-20T15:12:21.710-07:002010-10-20T15:12:21.710-07:00Hi Carole, yes would be happy to answer the questi...Hi Carole, yes would be happy to answer the question about submodalities but it would be a long post. Blake, would it be OK? Don't want to take up a lot of cyber-space. Otherwise, Carol, would be happy to e-mail to you.Tim Gaiserhttp://TimGaiser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-74702082888706855602010-10-20T09:40:19.752-07:002010-10-20T09:40:19.752-07:00"I would never criticize anyone for wanting t..."I would never criticize anyone for wanting to learn more about wine." ummmm....under certain circumstances it appears that you would indeed. Don't recant, stand up for your post and call the guy out, dammit!Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-30663585891193488412010-10-19T18:20:29.724-07:002010-10-19T18:20:29.724-07:00I thought this comment by Tim Gaiser was really in...I thought this comment by Tim Gaiser was really interesting:<br /><br />"What separates this DVD from every other tasting disc is that for the very first time submodalities are used to help describe the inner experience of wine (submodalities are how our brains recognize and code things like flavors and aromas."<br /><br />I don't know what 'submodalities' are but I would beCarole B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-64039324789467685212010-10-18T17:18:34.535-07:002010-10-18T17:18:34.535-07:00Sounds like everyone involved needs to lighten up ...Sounds like everyone involved needs to lighten up a little. There's no _real_ Olympics or glory for people who compare skills at tasting things.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-22823862774852358092010-10-18T13:58:34.425-07:002010-10-18T13:58:34.425-07:00Gray,
That was about as black and white as it cou...Gray,<br /> That was about as black and white as it could have possibly been described, I wish I had read this post earlier. I have to make it a point to read you more often. Poignant and precise I was amused at how restrained and goodhearted the response's were from purchasers of the product and the integrity and poise Tim Gaiser showed. Kudos<br />Now back to my goals, none of which includemacdaddy_mhttp://marc@enobytes.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-64714877561526422182010-10-17T20:52:31.425-07:002010-10-17T20:52:31.425-07:00Tim, you are a good sport, and I hope the next tim...Tim, you are a good sport, and I hope the next time I have the opportunity to see you taste it's in person.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-18111146987812086242010-10-17T15:04:45.940-07:002010-10-17T15:04:45.940-07:00Hi Blake, Tim Gaiser here. Sorry for the late resp...Hi Blake, Tim Gaiser here. Sorry for the late response to your post but I’m just now back from a week in Australia. Thanks for looking at the tasting DVD and accompanying how-to book. I do want to clarify that my full-time position now is with the Court of Master Sommeliers Americas as their Education Director. So most of my time is spent teaching and examining MS students. I still do outsideTim Gaiserhttp://TimGaiser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-11908241950941150962010-10-16T11:00:08.047-07:002010-10-16T11:00:08.047-07:00I like your follow up, I think the clarification w...I like your follow up, I think the clarification was perfect. It actually sounds like what you and most of the commenters are saying are in agreement (though you say it more precisely than I do, which is why you're widely read and I'm not!). <br /><br />Especially like the 3rd paragraph; it says it all. It can be tough to even comment publicly, worrying how it will be taken (or mistaken).Jeff Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-51714360316890124172010-10-15T13:01:27.911-07:002010-10-15T13:01:27.911-07:00For what it's worth, I wrung my hands over whe...For what it's worth, I wrung my hands over whether or not this was too harsh, sat on it for some weeks, and ended up taking out some of it before publishing. I do respect Tim Gaiser. Ultimately I decided that I just don't condone the philosophy that enjoying wine needs to be goal-driven, so I went with it. <br /><br />Keep in mind that this is just a blog -- I don't have that much W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-50014544359524364872010-10-15T11:54:47.101-07:002010-10-15T11:54:47.101-07:00I have to agree that you were harsher than needed ...I have to agree that you were harsher than needed on this. Calling out arrogance is one thing (the "I have a case of '61 Cheval Blanc and you don't" sort of thing), but you missed that this type of video didn't create that arrogance, it may in fact help to tame it. <br /><br />Besides, there is increased demand by regular people (no expense accounts here) who want to learn Jeff Chttp://jeffsWineIQ@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-7651797065470883152010-10-15T09:44:17.886-07:002010-10-15T09:44:17.886-07:00You do realize that expense accounts are the under...You do realize that expense accounts are the underbelly to all trend setting luxury goods. The fun starts when a trend takes and aspirations develop. Another how-to DVD's, no surprise. Great post, you drew out wonderful responses and discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-8015185502226959952010-10-15T09:37:03.920-07:002010-10-15T09:37:03.920-07:00Learning how to "taste" isn't really...Learning how to "taste" isn't really the goal of most wine education, is it? <br /><br />The goal for most of us is learning how to "recognize and describe" what we're tasting, so we can share our pleasure (and displeasure) with others. This is where teachers such as Tim are helpful as guides, just like a guide in a museum or gallery can enrich your experience by Dave McNeillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-78272516158243938862010-10-15T09:16:24.516-07:002010-10-15T09:16:24.516-07:00I think you may have been a little harsh this time...I think you may have been a little harsh this time around, Mr. Gray. When it comes to wine, corporate types are really no different than any other types of people (including so-called wine professionals and garden variety working-stiff wine lovers): many of them need a lot of help (hence, the necessity of instructional DVDs), many of them know a lot less than they think they do, but then again,Randy Caparosohttp://www.culinarywineandfood.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-69027502443523398092010-10-15T09:02:01.803-07:002010-10-15T09:02:01.803-07:00Rick, if you haven't noticed, Blake is a bitte...Rick, if you haven't noticed, Blake is a bitter, angry man who thinks his opinion is the only correct opinion. His arrogance is alarming! Dissing Laube is one thing, dissing a talented, personable guy like Tim, who's basically out there to promote wine appreciation is over the top and more than I can stomach. As of today, I will no longer read Blake's diarrhea of the mouth/brain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-53326286458738731782010-10-15T05:29:26.001-07:002010-10-15T05:29:26.001-07:00wow, these laughs and smiles are just the thing fo...wow, these laughs and smiles are just the thing for a busy harvest morning. real glad i learned how to smile from one of the leading smilers in the world.danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-34423030195102639722010-10-14T19:27:30.109-07:002010-10-14T19:27:30.109-07:00I guess this means my newly attained Brown Belt in...I guess this means my newly attained Brown Belt in Wine Tasting, which enables me to kick the tasting ass of 99-44/100ths% of wine bloggers, is um not going to pan out for me in the championships at Winery Stadium in Napa this winter.King Krak, Oenomancernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-85247556191920766242010-10-14T14:40:08.634-07:002010-10-14T14:40:08.634-07:00Rick: I'm glad you liked the purchase.
I wou...Rick: I'm glad you liked the purchase. <br /><br />I would never criticize anyone for wanting to learn more about wine. For me, this disc indicated a philosophy of tasting that I disagree with: that it should be goal-driven. That's fine for MW students, but for the rest of us I think wine tasting should be about pleasure, not achievement.<br /><br />Anon: I'm sure Tim is better in W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.com