tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post2366258488298715439..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: Red Bicyclette fraud -- a contrarian viewW. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-87134212936273634902010-03-12T10:27:32.887-08:002010-03-12T10:27:32.887-08:00I've had a couple of Languedoc "pinot noi...I've had a couple of Languedoc "pinot noirs," neither of them Red Biciclette, that tasted nothing like PN should taste. This is what can happen when there's a mad scramble to bottle something that happens to be the flavor of the moment.<br /><br />I can't imagine why anyone would plant pinot noir in the Languedoc to begin with when there are so many great varietals more Peter Mindehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05907718697536195813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-87358212473523790412010-03-11T14:54:52.633-08:002010-03-11T14:54:52.633-08:00When a company that made its fortune selling "...When a company that made its fortune selling "Hearty Burgundy" and "Chablis" decides they need to put Pinot Noir on a bottle, of even Languedoc wine, in order to sell it, the company needs to know for certain what is inside the bottle.<br />Otherwise, they should call it French Red Table Wine and let their ad agency generate demand for it. Which is what E&J Gallo did Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-78927112037357720112010-03-10T21:55:56.029-08:002010-03-10T21:55:56.029-08:00Dave: I think our disagreement is in my greater di...Dave: I think our disagreement is in my greater disdain for the whole concept of the wine in question. But it is perhaps just a matter of degree.<br /><br />Mike: That's a very good point, and one I hope the TTB will ask.<br /><br />But in answer to both of you, and furthering my cranky jet-lagged image, ever since the 2004 presidential election, I tend to blame not the system, the governmentW. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-84603878195378414182010-03-10T20:22:28.825-08:002010-03-10T20:22:28.825-08:00Despite your jet lag, Blake, you leapfrogged right...Despite your jet lag, Blake, you leapfrogged right over "competent" on your way from "good" to "great." Granted, consumers shouldn't expect "great" pinot noir for $8 the bottle, but "good," "competent" and with at least a recognizable element of pinot noir, yes. Certainly, anyone marketing pinot noir with a straight face should know Mike Dunnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14496499437274796935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-28032483375885613642010-03-10T17:45:56.976-08:002010-03-10T17:45:56.976-08:00That's OK - you can leave it in, I can take it...That's OK - you can leave it in, I can take it. I think we're on the same side of this though!<br /><br />Cheers,<br />DaveDave McIntyrehttp://dmwineline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-37505518370049927302010-03-10T17:44:09.780-08:002010-03-10T17:44:09.780-08:00And our disagreement is where?And our disagreement is where?Dave McIntyrehttp://dmwineline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-28517388267736309572010-03-10T17:43:09.685-08:002010-03-10T17:43:09.685-08:00Dave, I'm sorry, I think I'm jet-lagged an...Dave, I'm sorry, I think I'm jet-lagged and cranky, and "self-righteous" is unfair. I'm editing it out. Thanks for being the adult in this room.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-66692367169582203952010-03-10T17:41:49.680-08:002010-03-10T17:41:49.680-08:00I'm willing to accept that Gallo didn't ac...I'm willing to accept that Gallo didn't actually "know" -- the risk would be pretty great if they did. But they also didn't actively suspect a price that really was too good to be true.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-47195733239591996092010-03-10T17:37:49.662-08:002010-03-10T17:37:49.662-08:00Blake -
"Self-righteous" or not, I think...Blake -<br />"Self-righteous" or not, I think we actually agree on this. If you read my piece to the end, you will see that I give a plug for small importers who bring quality wines into the market - even at $8 from the Languedoc. (These aren't pinot, of course, but grenache, syrah and cinsault ... )<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Dave McIntyreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-48464903220591812032010-03-10T17:19:14.126-08:002010-03-10T17:19:14.126-08:00Isn't what mattered to Gallo was being able to...Isn't what mattered to Gallo was being able to label/sell their wine in the US as pinot noir?<br /><br />Why even for the moment assume that Gallo didn't know? Aren't they, in general, damn smart? <br /><br />I mean, com'on, is someone going to purchase 2,000,000 gallons of Mendocino Lagrein, and then later realize, oh, they don't make that much in total there? I don't Jacknoreply@blogger.com