tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post7311855520917234843..comments2024-03-18T04:47:16.199-07:00Comments on The Gray Report: Re: Wine tasting is bullshitW. Blake Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-67321159675039933102013-06-10T02:15:22.587-07:002013-06-10T02:15:22.587-07:00ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WINE PRICING AND PERCE...ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WINE PRICING AND PERCEIVED QUALITY:<br /> <br />Excerpts from New York Times "Dining Out" Section<br />(May 7, 2008, Page D1ff):<br /> <br />"Wine's Pleasures: Are They All In Your Head?"<br /> <br />[Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/dining/07pour.html?pagewanted=print]<br /> <br />By Eric Asimov<br />"The Pour" Column<br /> <brBob Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089688073031173053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-24221165266352842842013-06-10T01:45:08.894-07:002013-06-10T01:45:08.894-07:00BLAKE,
COMPLEMENTING THE WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON "...BLAKE,<br /><br />COMPLEMENTING THE WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON "SUPERTASTERS," YOUR READERS SHOULD CHECK OUT MIKE STEINBERGER'S 3-PART SLATE ARTICLE.<br /><br />~~ BOB<br /><br /><br />From Slate<br />(Posted June 20, 2007):<br /><br />“Do You Taste What I Taste?<br />The physiology of the wine critic.”<br /><br />[Part 1 of 3]<br /><br />[Link: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/drink/2007Bob Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089688073031173053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-14814122352658184562013-05-19T17:53:17.319-07:002013-05-19T17:53:17.319-07:00Thanks for the post. I agree and apprecaite the &q...Thanks for the post. I agree and apprecaite the "sign" at the beginning. My son and I taste wine together. My favorite is different favorite than his. My sister chooses a different red blend than we both like. My brother drinks beer and sneers at us (laughing all the while). But we eat dinner together and do not need a diplomat to interpret our differences. Gary & Alison Dyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04874571322486287599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-29962857476520760902013-05-18T08:59:43.849-07:002013-05-18T08:59:43.849-07:00Thanks! Don't read it if you haven't alrea...Thanks! Don't read it if you haven't already. Dare I say it -- it's BS.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-62209794485875907872013-05-17T22:43:02.108-07:002013-05-17T22:43:02.108-07:00I haven't read the "wine tasting is BS&qu...I haven't read the "wine tasting is BS" article but your views are spot on. <br />rplieuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100920530600933498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-25559864015850972492013-05-17T11:19:53.852-07:002013-05-17T11:19:53.852-07:00Wine tasting is bullshit to everyone except wine t...Wine tasting is bullshit to everyone except wine tasters and those who take them serious.Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04004818708247838480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-75715059599387450742013-05-16T14:47:27.362-07:002013-05-16T14:47:27.362-07:00Joe: I'm sorry, but I don't remember the c...Joe: I'm sorry, but I don't remember the conversation you mention. I do speak to a lot of people and I don't want to offend you, so can you refresh my memory?<br /><br />I'm also sorry if I have misrepresented what you wrote. Again, as I stated, I didn't read what you wrote, so if Mr. Gonzalez misquoted you, can you please make it easy for me and explain why?<br /><br />Thanks.W. Blake Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755307711801965966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-37103651852143397872013-05-16T11:26:36.889-07:002013-05-16T11:26:36.889-07:00As "the guy" or "the expert" w...As "the guy" or "the expert" who apparently started all of this *ahem* bullshit, I think some clarification is in order. The first blogger who quoted me either didn't understand what I had written, or decided to cherry pick some of my BS to validate his own BS. Not that I care much either way. At least he took the time to try and read it before dragging me into his post, Joe Powerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12447426424126428831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-80311197577182207542013-05-15T17:21:08.824-07:002013-05-15T17:21:08.824-07:00Blake, that was a good & thoughtful response t...Blake, that was a good & thoughtful response to an article that had a fair amount of bullshit in it.Patrick Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144823620170293402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-85413970469928052212013-05-15T12:43:39.037-07:002013-05-15T12:43:39.037-07:00Great post! You've woven together a couple of...Great post! You've woven together a couple of different threads here in a coherent fashion that's pretty compelling. <br /><br />This article should be an autoresponder whenever someone says "wine tasting is bullshit"...Sidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289719467282762262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-28357555502300677982013-05-15T11:30:59.457-07:002013-05-15T11:30:59.457-07:00Hi Blake - nice blog - generally don't read wi...Hi Blake - nice blog - generally don't read wine blogs but like the attitude.<br />Good article - but I generally feel that points aren't helpful (do you ask how many points a steak got at a restaurant before ordering one?). Also, I generally avoid wine judging results as there are WAY too many wines tasted by the judges to have even a semblance of sensory evaluation - the alcohol Bryan Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634709555623696877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-69288845557182410412013-05-15T10:09:33.500-07:002013-05-15T10:09:33.500-07:00Nice points Blake, but I think the guy made some g...Nice points Blake, but I think the guy made some good points too.. like changing the color of the wine and these experts were calling it a red.. reminded me of the Lettie Teague piece a few years ago where she put a Rothschild label on a nice Washington red and the experts were sure it was a Rothschild.. all these ludicrous scores and descriptions.. give me the Hosemaster.. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11992278224164669829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-9050845742007281282013-05-15T09:22:03.680-07:002013-05-15T09:22:03.680-07:00Thanks, Blake. Nice write-up.Thanks, Blake. Nice write-up.Hawk_Wakawakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15127733191330644369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-84453611045900546252013-05-15T07:49:09.044-07:002013-05-15T07:49:09.044-07:00The environment of a tasting room at a winery in w...The environment of a tasting room at a winery in which you are told what you are tasting, how much its costs etc. can effect your perception of a wine. It is radically different than a neutral environment (a simple table in an office or home with a glass and white table cloth) where you taste blind. That is why I do not give scores in my wine reviews but just general impressions. But I have also Erik Waithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181235875637882101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-82728056934123347662013-05-14T15:02:28.540-07:002013-05-14T15:02:28.540-07:00I always say:
If you is serious about learning an...I always say:<br /><br />If you is serious about learning anything about wine you would read a few critics, then look up and try the some of the wine they recommend, lastly find a critic your palate and pocket book agrees with and follow them for wine suggestions, you will sometimes agree and less often disagree, when you disagree most of the time, find another critic or you maybe on the road to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-30288482842144500352013-05-14T12:45:11.893-07:002013-05-14T12:45:11.893-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sommelierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373623446507975769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-80540599533586721832013-05-14T12:42:03.158-07:002013-05-14T12:42:03.158-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sommelierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373623446507975769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-86721442508712370432013-05-14T12:41:22.738-07:002013-05-14T12:41:22.738-07:00I would have to say that I have no use for the 100...I would have to say that I have no use for the 100 point scale. Do we have to quantify everything? As you pointed out Blake, wine is food, it's a living thing - affected by location and circumstance. But to say that tasting is BS is way over the top. What about public tastings, where the non-pros get to taste all kinds of stuff and decide what they like and what they may want to buy? That ainJonas Landau, everydaywineguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09929744739806090047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-28329795790870642312013-05-14T11:46:34.026-07:002013-05-14T11:46:34.026-07:00Blake - when are you coming for lunch? I would ser...Blake - when are you coming for lunch? I would seriously like to show you the research that helps to better understand the perceptive acuity factors far beyond the PROP "super"-taster paradigm. There is so much misunderstanding in this area and you get a free lunch!!Tim Hanni MWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241098447354013051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-61218023639113926252013-05-14T09:44:42.970-07:002013-05-14T09:44:42.970-07:00Not sure that "supertaster/non-taster" h...Not sure that "supertaster/non-taster" has that much to do with perceiving flavor. Isn't virtually all flavor the result of our brain's interpretation of information it receives via retro-nasal olfaction???rapopodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00413215670441671568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-73407407798117533502013-05-14T09:23:55.924-07:002013-05-14T09:23:55.924-07:00Then there's this part:"Or just have a be...Then there's this part:"Or just have a beer – it's unequivocally better".<br />Let's just open a can of worms...Joanna Breslinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06813446200730435779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9210235767643862872.post-90110655685460734332013-05-14T08:14:12.686-07:002013-05-14T08:14:12.686-07:00Years ago I was attending a lecture by a famous Sc...Years ago I was attending a lecture by a famous Sci Fi writer. Some knucklehead in the crowd got up during the Q&A and said, "85% of Sci Fi is bullshit!" The writer quickly retorted, "85% of everything is bullshit" I think we see something similar here.Larry Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195993743153519181noreply@blogger.com